My Thoughts on DNC Rigging Election for Clinton
When I watched the election process happening, I saw many things that I didn’t want to publicly write because I knew people wouldn’t be able to see what I was seeing at the time, and it would have caused a huge out lash and uproar. But if you watched the election process closely, and listened to what people were saying and watched the behavior of crowds as they responded to Hilary Clinton, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, it was clear things were not as they were being represented to us.
All you had to do was watch the way the crowds responded to each candidate. It was notably different. Their excitement, fervor, and roars were clearly louder with one candidate than all the others. The way crowds reacted to Bernie surpassed by a great distance the way crowds reacted to Clinton or to Trump by a long shot, and it was clear Trump had the smallest crowds every time.
I wasn’t invested in any of the candidates and it stood out like a sore thumb to me. And then to hear all the people predict the election and get it wrong, and for Trump to win–none of it made sense. It smelled rotten to me for a long, long time, but I never expected it to be this bad.
Do I think it was rigged? Did I think it was rigged before the election? Absolutely. I didn’t believe Hilary was the DNC choice and I didn’t believe Trump was truly elected. Not for a day.
I’m glad Elizabeth Warren is speaking out and standing on what she believes! Bless her–she is supporting the truth!
So not only did we get screwed with Trump in the election and Russia, we all got screwed by Hilary Clinton and the DNC as well.
Our country is in serious trouble and until we can get back to some honesty and fairness, we are risking our democracy as we know it.
Updated and removed Donna B. from my post. 11.4.17
I say this, God Bless America. We need it!
Your delusion runs extremely deep. Please keep talking politics.
Isis? I feel the need to speak up and say that if this is meant as a threat to anyone, you won’t do well here, and you need to move along.
Are you feeling that his moniker is used as a threat? Or what he said?
What he said sounded mocking, and his request for Eyes to continue to talk politics was more mocking … like “Just keep talking about things you don’t know about and sharing your delusions, cause I can’t wait to hear more of this drivel”
Indeed. As for the moniker, it’s “is is”, it predates ISIS, and what it is is an obscure reference to an obscure speech pattern of Adam Carolla’s.
If I were defensive and didn’t like what you had to say, and were looking for a reason to label you as hostile so I could justify ignoring your viewpoint, I would have interpreted it one way, but because of a different bias/bent that I have (aka different life experiences), my assumption did not go to Adam, but rather to Bill ‘Lewinsky’ Clinton who famously stated, “It depends upon what the definition of ‘is’ is”. But alas, I date myself. LOL
The DNC doesn’t set the primary rules, the individual states do. Clinton got more votes. The DNC’s job is to put Democrats in office. Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. Clinton got more votes than Bernie. And more than Trump. If you’re saying the votes are not real, that’s a different conversation.
Our country does not elect presidents with the popular vote for good reason, as the entire country would be beholden to a few extremely high population areas (have you seen hunger games?).
Where I disagree with lies is that Trump WAS legitimately elected. Russia did not hack the actual votes (although they would have if they could). There is absolutely no evidence that occurred. What Russia did was just release a ton of misinformation, ON BOTH SIDES (see the congressional hearings) realizing that the average voter does almost no research in an attempt to sow discord. Russia also clearly hated the Clintons, however POLARIZING the country was the ultimate goal. Fun fact, in Russia, WE are their Russians, blamed for nearly everything. Democracy depends on an intelligent and informed population, and I don’t think we have that. The problem is in the average citizen, and I don’t know what we can do about that except for wait to be replaced by AI (in all seriousness).
I would say that Hillary, or really the Clintons, have had more interaction than just about anyone in this country with Russia.
Have you seen some the supposed ads Russia used? To use an analogy think of when you buy an Apple or Google product it probably comes in nice packaging with clear easy to understand instructions. If you buy a Chinese ripoff product off of eBay the packaging isn’t so nice and instructions are on a two-sided single piece of paper, one side in Chinese and the other mis-spelled Enrish. It’s the same difference with those Russia ads except with images and slogans. Literally no one changed their vote because of a grammatically incorrect Texas succession ad on Facebook.
If I wanted to lick my wounds, and stay in denial in order to avoid my pain at losing the most winnable election in history against an orange haired joke, I would attribute Hillary’s loss to any number of conspiracy theories that I could dream up or latch on to (think “Kennedy Assassination Shock & Pain and resulting coping theories): much better than facing the reality and more likely causes (Occam’s Razor) like Hillary taking a month off to walk in the woods, Hillary following Mookie’s advice to focus on states that she wants to win—as opposed to those she believes she needs to win, declaring she didn’t know what a “C” was on her private email server, collapsing on the curb and then placating us with pneumonia … the list goes on and on. THAT’s why she lost, not some Comey/Russia BS.
Claiming that Clinton got more votes than Sanders without also in
that same breath admitting that the DNC was sabotaging Bernie and
THUS contributed to his lower vote count in the first place, seems incomprehensible to me if not flat out denial of reality.
If Hillary was doing nothing wrong by secretly funding the DNC, then not only would everything you just said about what the DNC’s job is, would be correct and make sense, but also then Hillary would have been open about what she was doing and admitted she was providing money, selecting staff, devising strategy, and Bernie and others during the campaign would not have suspected their treatment by the DNC was not above board…also incomprehensible and seems like denial to rationalize your candidate’s innocence at all costs.
Bernie wasn’t a Democrat? Millions of Democratic voters were counting on a fair process. Perhaps the DNC should have publicly announced at the beginning of the primaries that just cause you’re running on a democratic ticket, that “We will in no way help, assist, guide, ensure, support, said candidates: in fact it’s a fait accompli … blah blah blah”: seems incredulous and ridiculous.
I saw the same thing, Thank You so much for speaking up. Nobody ever does, they just stick with what they WANT to see. It will take a few years but my husband and I are saving $$ to leave this country forever. We’re not just leaving the rotten process or the current corruption, we’re leaving EVERYONE who didn’t give a damn to notice or change it. In the meantime, your speaking up heals some of the hurt and I know you do so at great risk. Thank You.
If you think it’s rotten here, even with our current climate, you are probably in for a shock if you move into anything but a small nordic country (with a mostly homogenized population).
Contrary to popular trend, I’ve done my actual research. I also have several friends in Canada, I’ve always enjoyed visiting and I will be very happy there. But Thank You for your concern.
Then you should know how hard it is to get permanent residency there. Also Canadians elected Rob Ford. Glad you had a nice visit though.
They elected him city councillor and mayor of Toronto. That’s hardly in the same ballpark as electing someone like that President. If you want to look at the local level, you’ll probably find that Canada is marginally better than the U.S., but it’s at the extremes of the spectrum where you really find the difference, which is arguably where it matters the most.
some people were speaking up about it but definitely not very many. what i noticed a lot of is people shushing people. anyone that wasn’t happy with the Clinton campaign would get shushed out by fervent Clinton supporters etc. you could see this on Facebook. i left Facebook in part because of this strange new way of relating, politically, that people had during this election.
Loads of people spoke up about it. I was at the DNC. There were thousands of us marching and protesting the corruption and the stolen primary. Oddly, Fox News was the only one who showed it (actually, my sister and I would up on a clip marching and protesting).
Hey, post the clip! You’re famous 😀
I read with interest. Any one that says Trump did not have the most people at his rallies is blind. Hillary had ‘stars’ at her rallies and still had a fraction of what was at Trumps’.
All I have against Bernie is that he’s a socialist. This is not a socialist country. Some people hear they are going to get something, well really everything, free, and they go nuts. Problem with that is someone has to work and pay for it all.
People are all bent out of shape with Russia, yet that is what many voted for. If you want socialism, go to Russia, get all you want.
Same counters that say Hillary had more at her rallies than Trump are the same counters that did the polls. and you can’t believe any of them.
The only thing I agree with out of what you said is that Trump did have massive rallies. Clinton’s weren’t.
I was at the DNC protests in July of 2016. I was there when the Bernie delegates walked out and we’re help against their will. I saw and heard evidence directly from the delegates of their seats being stolen and them being replaced for fear of a lack of appearance of unity when Hillary accepted the nomination. I was in the streets, peacefully screaming in protest with thousands of others.
But, this whole “Bernie is a socialist” is just ignorance. He is a Democratic socialist, meaning he believes in prioritizing our tax dollars differently. He believes in fighting for Medicare for all, extending education from K-12 through college, supporting early childhood education and defending the rights of American citizens. He would have (handily) beat Trump. You don’t have people with that kind of unimpeachable integrity in office any more. Democratic socialism is the same thing that gave us social security and public education. It isn’t a big old scary attempt to destroy capitalism.
And socialism and communism are not the same ideology anyway. Please understand that. They cannot be used interchangeably.
Eyes, when you say Trump wasn’t truly elected, is that because his victory was only the result of the DNC rigging, and Bernie probably would have defeated Trump? Or because Trump got 3 million less votes than Hillary? Or the Russian vote tampering angle?
If you ask me, it’s primarily a combination of the DNC rigging keeping Sanders from winning and the Russian influence/tampering and disinformation campaign.
Precisely.
I’m just glad all of this is coming out about how dangerous, manipulative and corrupt Hillary really is, because even for people who have not supported any of the two candidates, the preponderance of negativity about Trump–often in comparison to Hillary–has been bordering on ludicrous.
And now to see how dangerous Hillary would have been in office, makes Trump look like a boy scout. And all the doomsday terror and life-as-we-know-it about him was all knee jerk reactionary bandwagon puffery!
1. Hillary exposes our national security on her private home servers. And has the gall to distract us (millions fell for it) by saying “It wasn’t confidential AT THE TIME” (This manipulated millions into not realizing that if a hacker stole it WHILE it was NOT confidential, but it then later BECAME confidential, then that hacker would be in possession of CONFIDENTIAL national security documents … provided to him BY HILLARY’S FOIA dodging and flagrant carelessness and indifference to her own “success”)
2. All the pay-to-play donations dried up once she lost
3. She fixes the DNC
4. Can’t wait
5. Really can’t wait
Oh, but Donald is sooooooooooooooooo dangerous for this country, and is sooooooooooooooo different than any other president in history that I just have to call him on the carpet. What a joke.
Thank you again, Rene.
The reason so many predicted this election incorrectly was because they were partisan hacks who used magical thinking and started to truly believe their rhetoric. You’re showing signs of magical thinking here. I don’t know if you still believe this but before you indicated there was “collusion” (a word that doesn’t mean anything in this context but sounds sinister) between the Trump campaign and Russia. That’s all completely false, just try coming up with a theory about how it went down without sounding like Alex Jones. Now you seem to think Russia had anything to do with the election results. $150K promoting Hillary Clinton, BLM, and Texas succession on Facebook did not have any impact. You could say they hacked the DNC but ignoring evidence about the possibility (and in my estimation probability) that the emails were leaked internally is magical thinking in a sense.
Sadly this isn’t a revelation, Elizabeth Warren is just bringing it back into the news. We knew Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and her BFF Hillary were working together to rig the nomination before Bernie conceded. It was big news for a bit, then everyone forgot about it and accepted that the Clinton machine got its way.
That’s why I refused to vote for Hillary. She and Trump are both corrupt. I openly gave my support to Jill Stein.
Since then I’ve been told I elected Trump (I live in Florida, by the way), I’m sexist (I’m a woman and lifelong feminist, by the way), I threw my vote away, I don’t care about my country, I don’t know facts. All those fallacies. The judgment from the left, who I’ve been affiliated with most of my life, is unreal.
I don’t regret my support of the Green party for a second. No more lesser of the evils for me. There are too many voters hung up on going that route –
they don’t need me
Yeah this election it was the sexist label. I really hated how people talked this election.
Yup, “Get out the vote”, “Your vote matters”, “It is a SACRED duty”, “Be an American”, “Citizens of many countries don’t have any say, so make sure YOU Exercise your right”
What those people really meant meant–and you’ve already nailed it–is “You elected Trump, you’re sexist, you threw your vote away”
It’s all unconscious mob mentality lip service, isn’t it.
Good for you, stand strong!