Duggars Refuse DHS at Door
MSN is reporting that on May 27, the Department of Human Services (DHS) was called to check on one of the minor Duggar children, and when they went to the Duggar home, the Duggars refused access and wouldn’t cooperate. DHS was then required to call the police for assistance.
InTouch magazine, according to MSN, says this is a repeat of what happened in 2006.
On June 4, 2015, I wrote that I did not believe the Duggars were telling us the truth and a lot has become public since this time strongly indicating the Duggars want you to believe things that are simply untrue.
You don’t hide when you tell the truth.
I would beg to differ in this regard. I wouldn’t let DHS anywhere near my family either. I have read numerous nightmare situations that have come from letting some ultra liberal DHS worker meddle in a decent families affairs.
I quite agree. Family secrets or not, it is my constitutional right to refuse anyone access to my property, until I see a warrant or court order. I find that the “If you have nothing to hide” mentality is a dangerous step into eroding a person’s right to privacy.
It is your right to refuse, but the police were required to come, and if they didn’t want to oblige, there will be court action.
Yes, of course, but even the police may not enter a home without permission or warrant. So DHS calling the police, and using the magic word “uncooperative”, makes this look like a huge guilt admission. You often say people who are not guilty will fight false accusations. I pray it never happens to me, but if CPS or whatever other government chapter knocks on my door to check on my children, they better come with police, because I will be uncooperative, *until* there *is* court action.
This was my response to the other comment:
I wonder if it really is that black and white though. You agree to be in the public. You give lessons, you hold seminars, yet you draw the line somewhere. That’s your right, and just because you teach, doesn’t mean your students can show up at your house and demand to see your material. Or show up at your hotel room. You set boundaries for when and how you interact with the public and you expect them to be respected. Even if you taught out of your home, you allow specific people access to certain areas at agreed upon times. Agreeing to one does not negate the other.
Decent families don’t molest their children or siblings.
Delruel, really? I have a family member who molested another family member. Does this now taint the entire family? Are we all collectively guilty of this individual’s behavior?
You said the family was tainted, not me. I would have said dysfunctional, which sounds less condemning imo, since we’re all somewhat dysfunctional. That said, if the adults are denying anything is wrong, then they’re guilty of looking the other way.
I didn’t say, I asked. I asked because it was you that made the generalization. I don’t think it is fair to an entire family to brand them as “not decent”, or wrong, or dysfunctional, or any other label you want to slap onto them in complete disregard of individual members’, well… individuality, because of one person’s actions. That is what you did, and I asked for clarification if that is indeed what you meant by that. So with your response I now understand you to mean that families in which there happens to be a person who has molested someone are dysfunctional. Which, again, is judging an entire group of people based on the actions of one. If I apply that to myself, since I have that family member, you’re telling me that there is something wrong with me, with my children, my husband even (all the same family still), because of what that person did. It matters not what I think of it, how my husband feels about it, or wether or not it has affected my children in any way. What about my inlaws, who have never met this person, and never will? Since we are all connected in some way, does the dysfunctionality extend to them? Where does it end?
The only thing that I can think of to redeem your sentiment is that decent *people* don’t molest their children or siblings. Let’s put the blame back where it belongs.
I have been reading alot of nightmare stories lately also but the problem is Dhs is not allowed to give the other side of the story. I am not claiming they are perfect by any stretch of the imagination but I have trouble believing some of the story’s with out knowing more. There is plenty of reason for people to lie about the true nature of the situation esp when people are donating money and blindly supporting people on there word alone
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I’m curious why there is just “one child” then seem concerned about. MSN above said “one of the minor children” and another article I read said they were “prevented from seeing the child they were concerned about”
So I am wondering why only one child is the focus. Was something said by that one child?
Just would think they would be concerned about the “children” not just one.
That’s really making me wonder. It seems more likely something specific may have been claimed. Doesn’t sound like just general interest in their well being.
But at the same time, I also do not trust DHS.
We already know there was sexual molestation in the family, if not rape. Those are felonies and reason enough for the DHS and the police to investigate. They should get a warrant first though. But the Duggars really warrant a thorough investigation. All that saccharine denial is creepy.
I don’t understand all the apologists for this family and the choices they made back in 2002-2003. I really don’t. The police report was read by In Touch reporters and they came to the same conclusion I did. That a female child told what happened. It wasn’t Josh who came to the parents and “confessed.” I don’t believe that at all.
Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar had, what, 10 years in the public eye, selling their ‘brand’ lifestyle and how good/Christian people they are. They then went on national TV and tried to explain their actions after they learned that their young girls were being molested. It was embarrassing to hear them minimize Josh’s actions, as if it was no big deal. They tried to tell us that their girls didn’t even know they were molested. The issue became worse because they were NOT truthful. Things would be different, but they were not truthful.
In 2002, they chose not to get their child professional counseling. They were worried about what type of element he would come in contact with if he left the home. HELLO!!! He’d already fallen off their brand of turnip truck! They kept Josh in the home and he continued to molest! I’m sorry, but there’s nothing that excuses that. Not in my book.
I think an independent investigation needs to be conducted on this family and DCS is the logical entity.
Hi Eyes,
Off-topic question: Could you take a look at Jackie Siegel please? Video is only 1 min long. She’s a reality TV star (“Queen of Versailles” documentary) and married to an extremely rich and older timeshare mogul. Her daughter died of a drug overdose last week and Jackie has been criticized for using her cameraphone to snap pictures at her daughter’s funeral while sucking on an iced drink. Here’s the vid: http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/siegel-family-discusses-daughters-tragic-death-wft/nmY72/
And the article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3117410/Parents-Queen-Versailles-star-mourn-earthly-angel-daughter-18-died-suspected-drug-overdose-just-two-weeks-leaving-rehab.html
What do you see in the short interview? Thanks!
I share the same sentiment with a lot other posters. I would not trust DHS or CPS, I would turn them away at the door. They have too much power and too little accountability, and I’ve heard about too many horror stories. Then I would turn the police away at the door unless they had a court order or warrant. In fact I wouldn’t talk to any law enforcement agencies in almost any situation. Here is a very good, but somewhat long, video by a law professor and state trooper detective on why you should never talk to the police even when innocent, nothing good can come of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
Yes quite a bit of deception there.
Well, actually a lot of good CAN come from it– it’s just that more honestly speaking, there’s absolutely no guarantee that it will. Or that something terrible WON’T come from it. The sentiment wasn’t incorrect, but the wording was with regard to “nothing good can come of it”.
That is an excellent video though if it’s the one I’m thinking of– if it’s not, it sure looks like the one I’m thinking of. He points out quite a lot of things that I don’t think most people would ever even think of. Years of experience tend to do that. 🙂
There are a lot of instances mentioned in the 2nd half of the video such as the detective saying ‘off the record’ and then turning off a portable recorder in front of the questioned but still recording with another device. Basically using lies to catch lies or get confessions.
These are dubious practices.
Yes, that and telling young, naive suspects that all they have to do is sign this piece of paper and they can go home. That piece of paper being a confession, of course. Disgusting. No only does the innocent person often go to prison, but the real perpetrator goes free.
I disagree with you here Eyes. I think CPS is a shady organization and I wouldn’t let them in my house without a warrant period. http://journeyboost.com/2015/05/21/what-to-do-if-cps-shows-up-at-your-door/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=postplanner&utm_source=facebook.com